British Far
Right and Saddam : responses of Robert Edwards and LJ
Barnes of BNP
From: Robert Edwards, England
Dear Mr Shamir,
Your true words are so statesmanlike.
President Saddam Hussein will not be forgotten.
Bless you,
Robert Edwards
After Robert Edwards posted my mail and his
response on a British Far Right list, he was rebuked by a Jewish
overseer (yes, Victoria, not only in the Left, - even in the
British National Party, the heir to Mosley’s fascists, there ARE
Jewish overseers, and they head their legal department and fight
antisemitism):
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Message ----- From: "lj barnes" <bnplegal@yahoo.com
To: <rhe@robertedwards38.fsnet.co.uk
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 9:03 PM Subject: Re: My
condolences to the people of Iraq - Israel Shamir
What a twat. The only thing sadder than a
self hating jew empathising with those who would cut his throat
in a moment are those whites who are so eaten up by anti
semitism they prostrate themselves before the islamic invaders
that pollute our nation. He should weep for the orphans saddam
left behind him in the past and the orphans of today and
tommorow who have to live in the rubble of Iraq caused by the
hubris of Bush and Blair and the sectarian war run by those
bearded bigots of Islam. Saddam died bravely. Those who shed
crocodile tears for him demean his bravery. He died at the hands
of his enemies and died a warriors death. He didnt weep for
those he killed so why weep for him
He was replied by Robert Edwards:
To the Head of the Legal Department of the
BNP: Lee, "Twat" is not the first description that springs to
mind, mainly because your occasional use of the word tells us
nothing. On the other hand, I have always found Israel Shamir to
be a singularly strange anomaly ... the idea that a Jew can shed
his Jewishness, as he claims, and become a devotee of the
Orthodox Christian church. This implies that he was a religious
Jew as opposed to being a secular Jew, as is the nature of
Zionism
On the other hand, most converts to Islam
are originally Christian believers. Very rarely do you find
atheists or agnostics converting ... and very few Jews. The
non-religious remain in the dark throughout their lives only
screaming for their mothers in the last minutes of their empty
lives
I can not see how Shamir can be a
"self-hating Jew" (an epithet invented by Jewish extremists) if
he has shed his Jewishness. You can not hate something that no
longer exists ... a bit like punching the air or banging your
head against a wailing wall. I have always said that being a Jew
is a state of mind, usually within a cultural ghetto. That is
why Jews huddle together away from the unclean goyim. Jewishness
is a permanent state of cultural siege, a mentality that does
not allow any form of give and take with the non-Jew. Love them
as much as your stomach can take it but you will always be an
unclean goy to them
I like this bit about "those whites who are
so eaten up by anti-semitism" which is a mirror image of your
own (and your leader's) tormented obsession with Islam and the
way that you blame that religion for every ill on the planet.
Anti-Islamism is indeed the new anti-Semitism (more correctly
anti-Jewishness) and you all seem to be wallowing in this
new-found hatred. Just as you see those "eaten up by
anti-semitism" prostrating themselves before the Islamic
invader, so do you fawn and lick the feet of the big Jews you
now admire so much. We all know why you do this. Can you not see
that you are no different to the "Judaeophobes" that people like
you, Nick Griffin and John Bean now go on about these days ...
you just interchange the words Muslim and Jew. The mindset is
exactly the same ... the fanaticism as intense and the morality
highly questionable
I responded to Israel Shamir and joined him
in his dignified message of condolence. He responded in his
usual sincere and polite way
Nowhere were there crocodile tears or any
other kind of tears. You do not do that for one as courageous as
President Saddam Hussein. The way he carried himself to the
gallows ennobled him for all time and that is something you can
not take away from the man. Those who recorded those last scenes
did him the greatest honour whether they realised this or not.
In fact, if you are a sincerely religious person you would be
pleased for the man, knowing that the true warrior would enter
Paradise without any problem at all. If you are not religious
then you only see the same empty blackness that awaits yourself
one day
In his twenty-odd years of rule he certainly
handled many people roughly but perhaps he felt this was
necessary in order to keep Iraq together. Without him, Iraq is
in meltdown with the foreign invader tearing it apart
I shall be honouring the great man in the
next editorial of European Action, out in a couple of weeks
Regards, Robert ---
rhe@robertedwards38.fsnet.co.uk
From LJ Barnes, BNP:
Mr. Shamir,
I saw your comments to my private e mail on
the response page to your article after Robert Edwards posted up
my private and confidential internal e mail on a private e mail
list without my permission on your site.
You wrote ;
After Robert Edwards posted my mail and his
response on a British Far Right list, he was rebuked by a Jewish
overseer (yes, Victoria, not only in the Left, - even in the
British National Party, the heir to Mosley's fascists, there ARE
Jewish overseers, and they head their legal department and fight
antisemitism) :
The fact is ;
1) The BNP is NOT the heir to Oswald Mosleys
fascists. The BNP is nationalist and not fascist. There is no
ideological connection to the BUF or any fascist organisation in
any way. Therefore it is not incumbent on us to defend any
historical fascist parties or fascist ideological policies.
2) I am not Jewish, and calling me Jewish is
just another exmple of the nationalist variant of the Marxist
Leninist 'Terrorism of the Word' used by the Left and those who
have to resort to infantile invectives to avoid debating like a
rational human being. Calling someone on the Right a ' Jew ' in
a debate is actually a highly efficient way of saying 'I am an
idiot and cannot win the debate with logic or argument, so
therefore I will resort to mere abuse to cover up my
intellectual vapidity '. It merely reinforces the fact you are
either a twat or an idiot. Usually both.
3) I dont fight ' anti-semitism ' I fight
idiocy and irrationalism regardless of whether it arises on the
Left or the Right. I support free speech and if that means those
on the Right talk nonsense then I will tell them that they are
talking nonsense. The fact is that the left do not hold the
monopoly on stupidity, as is so often demonstrated by those that
embrace facile conspiracy theories and reject logic for hatred.
4) The fact is that eulogising Saddam Hussein
is idiotic. For decades he was a stooge of the US and USSR and
was more than happy to be the puppet either of Moscow or
Washington whenever it suited him. How that makes him some '
defender ' of Arab nationalism is beyond me. Allowing yourself
to be pimped by the international forces of capitalism or
communism is the anti-thesis of nationalism. He also embraced
the same policies of attacking and invading other sovereign
nation states, such as Kuwait, and pillaging their resources
such as that currently followed by Bush and Blair in Iraq and
around the world. He was nothing more than an evil opportunist
with the political acumen of a capone era gangster. He died
bravely and that alone should be his epitaph.
I hope that you publish this e mail on your
website as this one I have agreed to allow to go online as
expressing my own personal opinion.
L.J. Barnes
Shamir replied:
Mr Barnes,
your reference to "private emails" bewilders
me. I could not find anything "private" in the email exchamge
you had with Mr Edwards. It was as public as they made it. In no
way the emails referred to your private life, to your - or mine
- wives, children, mistresses, vices or virtues. A public person
- and undoubtedly you are a public person - should be aware of
Mark 4:22 and should not indulge in small-time insinuations he
does not want to stand behind.
As for your second point, you say "I am not
Jewish, and calling me Jewish is just another exmple of etc". In
my view, Jewish is as Jewish does. I am not interested and I was
not referring to your DNA or bloodline. You use such expressions
as "antisemitism", "self-hating jew" and promote Jewish war
against Muslims. It is more than enough to consider you as a Jew
- if you insist, an aspiring Jew, or a shabbesgoy if you prefer
to stress your gentile origins.
As for your first point saying "The BNP is
NOT the heir to Oswald Mosleys fascists"; there are many things
for good and for bad to be said about the movements of 1930s,
and it is not the place to do it. However, the far right of
1930s stood against what they considered 'Jewish onslaught',
while you, Sir, join in it. Your joining forces with Zionism is
a full betrayal of the English ideals whose best features were
exemplified by Chesterton and Eliot. By your parroting of Jewish
nonsense of "Islamic threat" you are supporting their drive on
the Middle East though this step brings in the immigration you
object to.
I do not feel at ease accusing you and your
comrades of betraying the Britons and joining with the Jews, but
if I'd keep mum, stones won't. I'd publish your response, and I
hope you'll spread mine among your readers and members.
Israel Adam Shamir
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